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From Jesus Mythicism to Paul Mythicism
Who you think was the original creator —writer of the Paul character? And when? These people write in a different style and sometimes write things that are completely opposite to one another.
And in my opinion there is not one of them written by the original Paul. It was the historically attested Simon Magus, a Rasputin-like figure associated with the Herodians. He would have been a Gnostic who, as Irenaeus tells us, preached a gospel of salvation by grace.
It mattered to Catholics because, unlike Gnostics and Marcionites, they wanted to retain the Jewish Scriptures and so portrayed Paul as not only a Jew but even as a Pharisee, thus a champion of the Torah. Catholics wanted to co-opt Gnostics and Marcionites by rewriting their apostle Tand claiming him as their own. EEli: Why did Paul become such a successful character that so many wrote letters under his name? What was it in the Paul character which had attracted them? Price: As for who actually created Orthodox Christian theology, we cannot assign a name, though Polycarp is probably the earliest representative whose name we know.
I see Catholic Christianity as a synthesis of Gnostic Christology, the dying-and-rising savior of the Mystery Religions, and the Hellenistic hero cults. Who knows how long this brew had been percolating? What they had done so well to convince everybody that their specific story is the important one and the right one?
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Price:The key was successful institutionalization. Gnostic groups had a built-in disadvantage: their teachings were esoteric, aimed at the chosen few. Valentinians and other Gnostics existed as clandestine study groups and charismatic cells within public Catholic congregations. If the Catholic authorities could identify them, they could expel them, but then it was more difficult for these little groups to grow or even to survive.
They were interested only in cosmic secrets, not building basilicas, renting space, and paying bills. But these groups were outlawed once Catholic Christians came to power. Even so, Manicheanism continued as a world religion for a thousand years! As Walter Bauer showed, the Catholics prevailed also because of an effective propaganda effort.
And of course, the ascension of Constantine, a Catholic Christian, to the Imperial throne paved the way for his version of the faith to become the official State religion. History was written by the winners, and so they rewrote the various rival Christianities as a fringe bunch of devil-deceived weirdoes and. Before converting to Christianity, were these men pagans or Jews? They may not have heard of Marcionism at first, and when they did, they accepted the estimate of it they heard from their Catholic leaders.
Either way, they saw no reason to drop the Old Testament because they had been taught to read it as a collection of allegories pointing to Christ. Eli : Then The Apostles Peter, John, and the rest were all literary characters, not historical figures, in your opinion? Polycarp claimed to be the successor of the apostle John. Or maybe he was simply the successor of some other John who had no particular connection to Jesus? Price: There is on record no claim by Polycarp to have known the Apostle John.
The association between them goes back, second hand, only as far as Irenaeus.
He would call their words to remembrance, anything he had heard from them concerning the Lord, both with regard to his miracles and his teaching. What Polycarp received from the eye-witnesses of the Word of life, he would recount in harmony with the Scriptures. Thus I think Irenaeus provides very doubtful evidence of his own teacher Polycarp, having heard the teaching of the Apostle John. I eventually left the Baptists and became a Religious Humanist. Joseph Campbell was right: there is great power in myth, even when you recognize it as myth, not history.
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